Forget about bipartisanship. I want to discuss two topics today.
1. What I want to know is will White America vote in a black present, or are we (I use that term very loosely) still rooted in racism? I read an interesting article today (click title above) which outlines that White America who claim to not be racist may still subconsciously be racist. I refuse to post/discuss about politics on the actual article because all that people post on there is hateful banter with liberals criticizing conservatives and vice versa. I want to see how this goes, how many people actually read our blog, so please, let's hear your opinion. Please, no hateful speech pertaining to either party.
2. Can America vote in a feminist female president? Will the white male be able to put that vote down on the ballot to elect a female present to run the USA? Same rules apply as #1.
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Tuesday, February 12, 2008
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I read your blog, but don't have much to say on this topic. America is corrupt and only getting worse. Some might even say that we have been abandoned by God (I just listened to a broadcast on this and why people think this) so, I guess all I would say is that I do believe that either one of these things could and most likely will happen. All we can do is to vote and pray that God will guide our country through these years.
I love all the election banter! For me, it's all about electing the right person for the job. Personally, I wouldn't vote for either Hillary or Obama, based soely upon their stance on moral issues such as gay marriage and abortion. Though McCain isn't as conservative as I would like, we must vote who we think can do best to represent our interestes. I guarantee that with either of the democrats in office, the US's moral compass will quickly take a turn--even more so than we have seen in the past.
Our nation is strong and George W. Bush has held tight to his christian roots as president. Regardless of our thoughts on the war, economy, etc, our faith is what sustains us in our daily life and should guide us in our decision making. Let's hope our nation takes a glimpse into the future and considers what potential laws will be passed by our new president before they cast their vote.
Jen
Time will tell. If you would have asked this a year ago, I would have been skeptical. But seeing the support of these two candidates and the number of people who have turned out to vote in the democratic primaries make me think it is definitely possible, especially when what they are touting is "change." Also, young voters seem to be overwhelmingly in the Obama camp, for whatever reason. I have a feeling our next president will be a democrat, like it or not. And I think that until the republican party gets it together and gets back to its conservative roots, we won't have a widely supported republican candidate either.
I hope that America will vote for an African American president in 2008. Here's why:
1) Peace. He's the only candidate who voted against the war. I have two brothers who put their lives at risk to "defend America." Provoking other countries to battle is not defense; it's offense, and it's unjust.
2) International credibility. Currently, we are hated by countries world-wide because of our abuses of power. A man of peace could change that.
3) Abortion. Having a Republican president isn't going to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Bush had 8 years to do something about this and nothing happened. Laws don't change people's hearts. Same thing with gay marriage. Why would we expect laws to change people's hearts when God claims responsibility for who and how he creates people?
4) Spending. Bush, "a fiscal conservative," has ballooned our deficit with 3 trillion dollars on war- Not schools, not healthcare, but war.
5) Actions speak louder than words. Christianity is not the clanging cymbals of love (I Cor 13:1-13); it's our everyday actions that show that we care, and Barak Obama has lived as Christ amongst the poor in Chicago.
Barak is a candidate I can get behind because of his spirit and it has nothing to do with gender or color.
My wife and I voted for Obama in the California Primary. It is my belief that his inexperience is a good thing. My hope is that, if elected, he will gather a cabinet of competent people and let them do the job they were hired for.
I also want the troops to come home. Yes, Iraq was not in good condition when we arrived and yes if we pull out we will leave it the country in worse condition. But Al Quieda can outspend us. They can wait until we can't afford to be there anymore and we have to leave anyway. Besides, the money that we are spending on the war in Iraq could go toward the war on drugs/poverty/etc in our own country.
Lastly, I agree with Annie, Barak is a guy who, to me, is following Jesus and not the Pharisees. Yes he's pro choice, yes he's for gay marriage, and thankfully he doesn't expect christianity to be legislated by the government. It's not their responsibility to win souls for Christ. Besides, it doesn't work (Look at Rome 100 years after Constantine). Barak is leaving christian ministry to the people. Only when we have relationship/dialog with gays, atheists, agnostics, jews will we get there ear. Then we can let the Holy Spirit work.
Annie and Phil, I challenge you do a bit more research as to what a Christian really is and what expectations and morals we are to live up to in being labeled a Christian. Do you know the beliefs of the United Church of Christ that Obama is part of? They hardly follow what Christ taught.
Onto another thought. I do completely agree with you both on a few things. I too believe that Christianity should not be legislated by the government. I know that overturning Roe v. Wade or banning gay marriage is definitely not the way to reach out in Christian love. Abortions are obviously going to be done even if it's outlawed, gays are still going to go to different countries to marry, etc., and the the government should stay out of it. The only way to impact them from a Christian standpoint is not by throwing the law at them but by reaching out to them in love (like you were saying Phil).
I am just going to throw a pitch out there for anyone who disagrees with what I said in paragraph 2. Read up on or listen to Greg Boyd's (of Woodland Hills Church) sermon series entitled "The Cross and the Sword."
Now the reason I will not vote for Barack or Hillary (if that would happen) is because I do not want a socialist healthcare system. Look at Canada for example. Sure it's cheaper to see a doctor, but do you know how long people have to wait to see a specialist? Canadians are flocking to the US in groves for specialist healthcare because they simply cannot get it in Canada or they have to wait a very long time to get an appointment. I think democrats enable those who are poverty stricken. It's a huge joke, and we, the middle class, are going to pay for it.
Thank you all for your comments, I appreciate your thoughts. This is exactly what I wanted in posting this blog. I love a healthy debate and hearing other people's view points. Please feel free to continue to post.
Meghan,
I don't know you. I only know Trevor and I love him like a brother. Thus, I love ya like a sister.
That being said, you posted:
Annie and Phil, I challenge you do a bit more research as to what a Christian really is and what expectations and morals we are to live up to in being labeled a Christian. Do you know the beliefs of the United Church of Christ that Obama is part of? They hardly follow what Christ taught.
Were you trying to cheapshot me and insult my intelligence as a follower of Christ? Or were you trying to warn that Obama may not believe in the same principles as those that Jesus was trying to establish? I want to be clear before I respond to your post.
My wife pointed out that my last post sounded inflamatory and defensive. I apologize for that. Trevor please don't beat my a_ _.
Phil, I am sorry that I was not more clear. I definitely was not cheapshotting you nor insulting you. I am definitely not the Judge of this universe nor do I want to or intend to judge anyone. Being that it is not personal to you, as you said, I was urging you to look into the UCC faith and as it pertains to Obama. You may or may not know this, but Trevor grew up in a UCC church until he was 14 or 15. So I do not merely say that as an outsider, but I do have a little knowledge as to the core beliefs of the UCC church and its followers. They are very liberal in their beliefs--not liberal as in politics, but liberal as it pertains to the Bible and what Christ taught. Sorry for the confusion. As I stated before, I my intent of writing this blog was not for hatred or banter. Thanks for pointing out to me that what I said could easily be taken as an insult.
I did in fact grow up UCC and I think its a very liberal church in its views. Then again, I turned out alright and there are good people who go there. While I cannot know anyone's own personal faith in Jesus, I know I wasn't one while attending there and I also know that many politicians will say they are Christians because they go to church. We, as Christians, know it takes more than attendance at church for that to be the case though.
I don't really know who I am going to vote for this year. Really none of the candidates meet me where I need them to be for me to really reach out to them and embrace them. I agree with Meg's (and Annie's) comments about how we can't legislate our views and make them followed. We have tried and I think the fact that God gives us free will should show us that we should extend the same benefits to others. so my voting will not be aligned strictly based on the "moral" side of things (meaning abortion and gay rights) but on who I think will lead this country down the right path economically, socially, and ethically. Part of me, right now, doesn't want to vote at all though. I just don't feel like any of these people will lead the country in the way I think it should be led
Other reasons to NOT vote for Obama from Restore America PAC:
February 19, 2008,
After a wild few weeks in the primary process, it appears that the dust is starting to settle. Now it is time for conservatives like you and me to stand for our principles that - I don't have to remind you - are under attack.
It appears more and more likely that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President. Charisma and eloquence are nice qualities to possess, but this is not a man who is ready to be Commander-in-Chief. Look at some of his positions:
--Earlier this week, Obama voted against the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). This would severely undermine our intelligence gathering capabilities in the war against radical Islamic extremists.
--Obama has voted against a bill protecting homeowners from being sued by burglars they shoot in their own homes.
--Obama would implement the largest tax increase in American history - by not making the Republican tax cuts permanent.
--Obama has voted against Illinois's version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. This act is designed to protect those babies who survive an attempted abortion.
The first of these four makes our homeland weaker. The second makes our Constitution weaker. The third, our economy weaker. And the fourth makes us all weaker. I don't know about you, but I will not stand idly by and watch this man and his radical leftist agenda get elected to our highest office. Let's just say that when Hillary Clinton is the more conservative Democrat, we should all be afraid!
I've been thinking about this post for a couple of days now. This political subject is really hard to debate over blog entrees. I think you all need to come over for dinner this weekend and we can really get to know each other better and meet my son. If you bring the wine, we'll supply the dinner.
If Obama gets the nomination, I will vote for him. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, I will most likely vote for her as well. See you all at dinner so we can talk more:)
I agree with Annie's thoughts about Barack. He's got my vote, and my sole concern about him is that he doesn't have military experience. Military experience (like it or not) will be important to the many vets in our country...especially current troops.
I think the world as a whole would be more receptive to a male (of any race) than they would be to a female. I wish the world were more receptive to female leadership...but I'm especially concerned about the Middle East area's reaction if we elect Hilary.
To answer your question, I would venture to guess that no, America will not elect an black or female president. It has been amusing, though, to watch people try to come up with ways to defend why they "just don't like" Obama or Clinton short of "he's black" or "she's a she." I'm a strong believer in subtle racism, sexism, etc., and most definitely think it will play in to this election.
That said, as I've mentioned numerous times, I'm trying very hard to stay out of the whole deal because I think politicians as a whole are narcissistic, self-indulgent, power-hungry idiots who will always serve the dollar and not the people.
I'm tired of the war, I'm tired of social issues being used as a pawn of "morality," and I'm really tired of our vets coming home to poor healthcare treatment, particularly mental health. Do I think any of these candidates will do a thing about any of that? No. So, let the mudslinging begin. (Oh, wait. It's been going for like a YEAR already.....)
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